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Steve: OK, so you step in or not.
Woman: Right. Theres also... the auditory part is... the tones are real pleasant over here. And on the shame one its more of a—what I would call a cackling.
Steve: Cackling. Oooh, Good.
Woman: Theres words, but theres a kind of a cackling to the tone— tonality.
Steve: OK. So, lets see, now you spoke of this... the not shame as being 3-D. Is the other flat? Or is it 3-D, too?
Woman: No, they are both 3-D.
Steve: OK, they are both 3-D, so we wont pay attention to that, since they are both the same. Any other differences between— Oh, this one (not shame) is farther away, right?
Woman: Yes, it is.
Steve: How far away is this?
Woman: Its about like out where Keith is. Thats my normal—
Steve: OK, twenty-thirty feet?
Woman: Yeah.
Steve: Say twenty-five feet.
Woman: Yeah. And this one is like more, like about eight feet.
Steve: OK. Any other differences you notice between those?
Woman: In this one (not shame) I have—its interesting. I have a sensation but its not midline, its just to the right of midline, a pleasant sensation is the way I would describe it.
Steve: OK. Ill just code this by right, here, so positive feeling, right. (Woman: Umhm, yeah.) Which emergency responders would call right lower quadrant. (she laughs) Any other differences between the two?
Woman: This one (shame) would be really unpleasant if I were to step into it. (nervous laughter)
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